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apokalips
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 Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:19 am Post subject: File found with XPAT, not with Supersearch. |
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Shoot me if a topic like this already exists. I couldn't find it.
It happens sometimes that a post exists out of 20 .RAR files, and that Supersearch only finds 19 out of the 20 files. For example: part05.rar is missing. If i would the do an XPAT search on the same (missing) filename, XPAT would find that file on my news server (newshosting.com).
Now, i thought that it could be due to the fact that the supersearch server would be outdated on some files as it would have to synchronise maybe, and that the files would show up in a later stage (let's say one or two days later) when synchronisation had taken place. This however seems not to be the case as the same file was still missing two days later.
Question: Can someone explain why a file that is definately there, is not shown in supersearch?
Additional info: The file i am talking about is called Schiet je gek cd1.part05.rar and is posted in alt.binaries.games |
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mudone11
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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That file is probably also not available on the server where ss gets it's headers from. I believe this is giganews.
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apokalips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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That file is probably also not available on the server where ss gets it's headers from. I believe this is giganews.
Cheers Mudone
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Well thanks for your answer, but that is remarkable to say the least... Giganews is one of the three top most quality delivering news servers, not to mention retention as Giganews has the highest retention available around.
Can one of the Newsleecher support people confirm that is this is the definitive answer to my question? |
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dwazegek
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mudone11 wrote:
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That file is probably also not available on the server where ss gets it's headers from. I believe this is giganews.
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Highly unlikely that an entire file would go missing from giganews. Anyway, I'm not sure about the OP's example, but I do have another one of my own;
search for "lb-pn" rar 29 is missing from supersearch, but it was available (and complete) when I did a group update. The only server I have that supports that group is giganews, so there's no chance that I got the headers elsewhere.
Maybe the supersearch engine had a slight hiccup when these files were being indexed. In apokalips' example the first few articles of the next file are also missing, which would fit in with a temporary glitch. |
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apokalips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Anyway, I'm not sure about the OP's example, .
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What do you mean Dwazegek? Are you not sure about my example? I am 100% sure about my example as what I am stating is a 100% sure observation of myself. Can you tell me what it is you are not sure about?
If there is anyting I can do to "proof" my example (past screendumps, record a movie from my PC, please let me know) |
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dwazegek
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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What do you mean Dwazegek? Are you not sure about my example? I am 100% sure about my example as what I am stating is a 100% sure observation of myself. Can you tell me what it is you are not sure about?
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I meant that I wasn't sure that the articles in your example where available from giganews, as I haven't checked to see if they're there (I had checked my own example).
And, no, you don't have to prove your example  |
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apokalips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I meant that I wasn't sure that the articles in your example where available from giganews, as I haven't checked to see if they're there (I had checked my own example).
And, no, you don't have to prove your example
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Ah... i misunderstood you then, thanks 
I am curious what information Newsleecher (Spiril or Smudge) will have on this matter.. |
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Reefke
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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This problem is known since beta. I quit using SS because of that.
When I was still using SS I always needed a lot of par2 files to repair.
Now I use Newzbin, Usenetsearch and Binsearch, and it saves me a lot of repairing time.
There's no way I will ever pay for SS. There are some free nzb sites with much better completion. |
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Lips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the supersearch engine had a slight hiccup when these files were being indexed. In apokalips' example the first few articles of the next file are also missing, which would fit in with a temporary glitch.
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I agree that a temporary glitch is a real possibility. I remember recently replying to someone else asking about missing SSearch artilces and finding a number of missing articles from the same time frame as apokalips' articles , 3/21/05 - 3/25/05.
Of course, the missing multi-part post that you are referring to dwazegek is much newer.
Anyways, it does look like there are some cases of SSearch hiccups.
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apokalips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Reefke wrote:
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This problem is known since beta. I quit using SS because of that.
When I was still using SS I always needed a lot of par2 files to repair.
Now I use Newzbin, Usenetsearch and Binsearch, and it saves me a lot of repairing time.
There's no way I will ever pay for SS. There are some free nzb sites with much better completion.
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With due respect, you are referring to something different i think. I am not talking about incomplete files, but of 1 entirely missing file whereas the rest of the files is completely on the Supersearch server.
Using NZB's is not the same as Supersearch, it is an entirely different topic. Let's please focus on the problem at hand and give opinions about weather Supersearch is good or not somewhere else. Thank you.
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apokalips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that a temporary glitch is a real possibility. I remember recently replying to someone else asking about missing SSearch artilces and finding a number of missing articles from the same time frame as apokalips' articles , 3/21/05 - 3/25/05.
Of course, the missing multi-part post that you are referring to dwazegek is much newer.
Anyways, it does look like there are some cases of SSearch hiccups.
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OK, i could live with that explanation, if it were not for the fact that I have a problem with temporary, because if the glitch were temporary, I should be able to retreive the file afterall using Supersearch one or two days later. This is however not the fact. Supersearch does not have the file, and it does not seem to be there in a later stage either, making it permanently missing as opposed to a temporary glitch i would say... |
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dwazegek
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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OK, i could live with that explanation, if it were not for the fact that I have a problem with temporary, because if the glitch were temporary, I should be able to retreive the file afterall using Supersearch one or two days later. This is however not the fact. Supersearch does not have the file, and it does not seem to be there in a later stage either, making it permanently missing as opposed to a temporary glitch i would say...
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Not necessarily, I/m not sure how the ss engine indexes, but so this is pretty much guesswork. The engine indexes pretty much constantly, if during the indexing a glitch occurs and a few articles are dropped, the engine might not know that it's missing articles, and won't attempt to fill them. |
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apokalips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Not necessarily, I/m not sure how the ss engine indexes, but so this is pretty much guesswork. The engine indexes pretty much constantly, if during the indexing a glitch occurs and a few articles are dropped, the engine might not know that it's missing articles, and won't attempt to fill them.
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Well, it sounds plausible Dwazagek , but as you say, it is merely a guess of course... Spiril? Smudge? |
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Lips
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that a temporary glitch is a real possibility. I remember recently replying to someone else asking about missing SSearch artilces and finding a number of missing articles from the same time frame as apokalips' articles , 3/21/05 - 3/25/05.
Of course, the missing multi-part post that you are referring to dwazegek is much newer.
Anyways, it does look like there are some cases of SSearch hiccups.
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OK, i could live with that explanation, if it were not for the fact that I have a problem with temporary, because if the glitch were temporary, I should be able to retreive the file afterall using Supersearch one or two days later. This is however not the fact. Supersearch does not have the file, and it does not seem to be there in a later stage either, making it permanently missing as opposed to a temporary glitch i would say...
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I understand what you are saying. However, the glitch, whatever problem SSearch might have been having at the time, was temporary (if this was the case). The articles would need to be backfilled. So, I yes, the missing articles is not temporary, but the glitch that cause the articles to be missing was (or hopefully was) temporary.
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gymrat2k
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I can give another example of this glitch:
I have giganews.com. NL Beta 5, just upgraded from Beta 4.
Neither ZwilightToneC4D35.part40.rar nor ZwilightToneC4D35.part22.rar in alt.binaries.dvd can be found with SS, but has to be (and can be) found with a manual header update of the group.
Now this is newly posted (<3 days), but I have seen this behaviour with other posts, and SS did not catch up or refreshed to include the file(s) that were missing in subsequent searches. |
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