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apokalips

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 115 Location: Somewhere in Europe
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject: maximum articles to download |
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Does anyone know what the maximum nr. of headers is that Newsleecher can have in the "download screen". Downloading 10 atricles goes OK. But when i try to download 170 articles, the program keeps running, but working extremely slow (using 100% processortime) and not responding anymore to any mouseclick.
Does anyone no a solution to this?
I have 10 bots divided over 5 servers. |
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Icefreez

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 279
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have had 2000 files in my queue before and about 300, 50 mb files before. So I don't think the number of files or the size of the number of files determines how much CPU you use.
The more bots you use the more CPU you will end up using. I don't know if the number of servers has anything to do with the increase in CPUbut it might. _________________ - Icefreez |
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Gregoor

Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 168
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:49 am Post subject: |
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This is a known limitation. When for example files are unable on a server, this will take a lot of cpu power, and therefore time, when NL is checking if the parts are available on the server. When you have a lot of for example 200 part files, this will indeed take a LONG time.
Let it download this week, and queued the files when I left. Because of that, the first files were downloaded very slow, as the scanning for parts made the entire pc, and also the downloading almost come to a halt. So when I came home later and checked the filetimes, it turned out the first 2 files took just over an hour to download, where all other (equally sized files) took only about 6 minutes. So it is obvious that after about two hours, NL was done scanning for the unavailabe parts on one server. |
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invalidKey
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 22 Location: Midwest, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:39 am Post subject: |
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This is probably exacltly the same thing Gregoor said but I had a hard time understanding him. Probably just me thinking like an american.
From what I've seen beta 10 and above scan each server in order until it finds one which has the part. This takes time. If you have a lot of files or parts cued up that are not on your primary server this can take a verrrrrry long time. If everything was on my first server it seemed to work okay. If it had to go to the second or third server to get the odd part it was bearable. If most of the files were on the third server it was time for a nap. Maybe it was just me or my setup, I used my ISP, then UNS, then Easynews with 3 bots per server. Since my ISP has retention of at most 2 days and I update headers every 3-5 days this was unbearable for me.
Fortunately beta 9 does not do this. I've had almost 33,000 files cued and it just sings along at about 12-20% CPU. Beta 12 was over 90% with less than 300 files. If you can live with the increased memory usage I would suggest beta 9 which also cures the garbage cleaning problem if your affected by it.
BTW, if you ever have over 20,000 files cued don't ever (and I do mean ever) try to use the move to top of cue feature. Over an hour later at 99% CPU it wasn't done so I went to bed and 7 hours later it still wasn't done. I know that was a lot of stuff to move around but it shouldn't take over 8 hours on a P4 3.0 w/1Gig DDR400. It wasn't swapping either as I have no swap file. I finally just killed it and restarted. _________________ (c) 2003 No one in particular |
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Gregoor

Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 168
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's what I meant, but it was late for me you know :p
And for me it already starts being downright slow when trying the first server that hasn't got the files. But might be my slow dual celeron 300 @ 414 MHz  |
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invalidKey
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 22 Location: Midwest, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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But might be my slow dual celeron 300 @ 414 MHz
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I love dual processors. I have a dual Athlon 2000 with modded XP processors running on a Asus board. I don't care how old and slow it gets I'm not going to give it up until it dies. When I got the P4 I wanted to get a dual Xeon but the credit card wouldn't stand for it. I thought about getting AMD64's, but I know someone who has one and it, like newsleecher has stability problems.  _________________ (c) 2003 No one in particular |
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apokalips

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 115 Location: Somewhere in Europe
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Gregoor wrote:
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This is a known limitation. When for example files are unable on a server, this will take a lot of cpu power, and therefore time, when NL is checking if the parts are available on the server. When you have a lot of for example 200 part files, this will indeed take a LONG time.
Let it download this week, and queued the files when I left. Because of that, the first files were downloaded very slow, as the scanning for parts made the entire pc, and also the downloading almost come to a halt. So when I came home later and checked the filetimes, it turned out the first 2 files took just over an hour to download, where all other (equally sized files) took only about 6 minutes. So it is obvious that after about two hours, NL was done scanning for the unavailabe parts on one server.
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Thank you ! I found out that this is exactly what was happening on my PC. My 1st, 2nd and 3rd bot are (free) servers on the local network of my ISP. the 4th and 5th bot are, in that order, Easynews and Astraweb. (payservers). The time the problem occurred, i was trying to download files that were posted 10 days ago. the 1st three servers did not carry that files anymore, only the 4th and 5th. Still NL was trying to download parts of the files (articles) from server 1, 2 and 3.
Question: How can one conveniently use NL`s "server search", thinking that NL will search available servers in the configured order. Downloading files from your free servers first, and only contacting payservers if needed, when it takes up to 8 hours to download 4 files because it will search for files that are not available on the server it is searching on.
Is this something that can (will?) be fixed? Or do i need to configure my NL in a different way?
What i did to solve it now is disabling server 1, 2 and 3. My downloads then went very fast as all files were available at Easynews. |
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invalidKey
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 22 Location: Midwest, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| apokalips wrote:
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Question: How can one conveniently use NL`s "server search", thinking that NL will search available servers in the configured order. Downloading files from your free servers first, and only contacting payservers if needed, when it takes up to 8 hours to download 4 files because it will search for files that are not available on the server it is searching on.
Is this something that can (will?) be fixed? Or do i need to configure my NL in a different way?
What i did to solve it now is disabling server 1, 2 and 3. My downloads then went very fast as all files were available at Easynews.
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When you say "server search", do you mean XPAT or the way it looks for articles in general? If you mean the former, I have no idea. I don't use XPAT. If you mean the latter, it has to be fixed. Downloading articles is the primary function of this program and right now it's not working very well. With the speed issues and the corrupt downloads and garbage cleaning wiping out all the headers, it's not working very well at all.
I don't think there's anything to configure that would help other than reducing the number of servers you use. As much as Easynews costs you can't really use that as a primary server, but you could use Astraweb with an unlimited account if you can stand the speed cap. With B12 I was using UNS as my primary with Easynews as backup and didn't have too much trouble with the speed. The corruption and garbage cleaning put me back to B9 though. UNS has had alot of problems in the past, but seems to be pretty good right now. I still won't recommend them until they can deliver 3 months of consistent service instead of 3 weeks though. _________________ (c) 2003 No one in particular |
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